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I cut mine with more cushion than shown in Shooter's pic in order to omit the 1/8" felt on top of the shot. It folds great and I just seal the crimp with clear fingernail polish. It ends up being the same OAL as 3" Fed HWT factory load. I shoot an 870 so no cycling issues for me.
I cut mine with more cushion than shown in Shooter's pic in order to omit the 1/8" felt on top of the shot. It folds great and I just seal the crimp with clear fingernail polish. It ends up being the same OAL as 3" Fed HWT factory load. I shoot an 870 so no cycling issues for me.
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Re: 90/93
I loaded up 10 of the 90/93's this spring to pattern but never got around to shooting them, I shoot a M2 and when I cut the cushion off the 93 wad I cut it right down flush with the top of the gas seal. My OAL ended up being 2.420 to 2.435 which should cycle fine in the Benelli, what I am wondering is by cutting all the cushion off is it going to jack the pressure beyond SAFE?
Re: 90/93
I can't responsibly answer that.turkeyinstrut wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 9:00 pm I loaded up 10 of the 90/93's this spring to pattern but never got around to shooting them, I shoot a M2 and when I cut the cushion off the 93 wad I cut it right down flush with the top of the gas seal. My OAL ended up being 2.420 to 2.435 which should cycle fine in the Benelli, what I am wondering is by cutting all the cushion off is it going to jack the pressure beyond SAFE?
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Re: 90/93
Just curious, what makes you consider it obsolete?Iowahammer wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 9:11 pm Op your momma taught you not to buy the first thing you come across that resembles what you want I'd assume? Take that into consideration here. Look around before you buy what's already obsolete. Available Components that are frequently available are necessary.
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Re: 90/93
I shot a 1 5/8oz 2.75” load that was vp90 over 27 grains of lil gun. Patterned great at over 1100fps out of 24” M2. Thought it was greatest load ever, had it tested and it came back around 15.5k psi. I never had any problems or pressure signs, but was waaaay over pressure. I would imagine the ones you loaded like that are over as well.turkeyinstrut wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 9:00 pm I loaded up 10 of the 90/93's this spring to pattern but never got around to shooting them, I shoot a M2 and when I cut the cushion off the 93 wad I cut it right down flush with the top of the gas seal. My OAL ended up being 2.420 to 2.435 which should cycle fine in the Benelli, what I am wondering is by cutting all the cushion off is it going to jack the pressure beyond SAFE?
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Re: 90/93
he might be talking about the 93 wad not in stock at Precision etcJbird22 wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 9:31 pmJust curious, what makes you consider it obsolete?Iowahammer wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 9:11 pm Op your momma taught you not to buy the first thing you come across that resembles what you want I'd assume? Take that into consideration here. Look around before you buy what's already obsolete. Available Components that are frequently available are necessary.
Hammer
Shooter has them by the thousands..
and my way of thinking is wrong. Shorter shell length, pressure eases up some.
Re: 90/93
Perhaps, but like you said that's certainly not the case. I made sure I ordered enough from Shooter to last me a lifetime. After all, wads are the least expensive components to stockpile.hoobilly wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 10:08 pmhe might be talking about the 93 wad not in stock at Precision etcJbird22 wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 9:31 pmJust curious, what makes you consider it obsolete?Iowahammer wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 9:11 pm Op your momma taught you not to buy the first thing you come across that resembles what you want I'd assume? Take that into consideration here. Look around before you buy what's already obsolete. Available Components that are frequently available are necessary.
Hammer
Shooter has them by the thousands..
and my way of thinking is wrong. Shorter shell length, pressure eases up some.
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Re: 90/93
I cut and leave half the cushion part of the 93 wad.
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Re: 90/93
Good to hear that Shooter has the 93s. I also stockpiled a lifetime supply!Jbird22 wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 10:45 pmPerhaps, but like you said that's certainly not the case. I made sure I ordered enough from Shooter to last me a lifetime. After all, wads are the least expensive components to stockpile.
Re: 90/93
Where do you get the Lil Hammer recipe?Reloader wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 12:00 pm There are a lot of good loads out there, some are easier to load than others.
Of my 1-5/8oz loads, the Lil Hammer is one of the easiest to load and components are readily available. I've tested and developed many loads and it patterns the best and most consistent for me. It gets very good feedback as well. Thor is the easiest load I have, but I like the LH better. That said, with a little choke tinkering Thor does about the same.
You kind of have to decide what maximum range you really need. If a fella truly never intends to shoot past 50yds, 1-1/4oz is more than enough. If you must go long, 1-5/8 is nice. Anything more is overkill bigtime plain and simple.
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Re: 90/93
Don't shoot 20 ga, so not familiar with the 90/93 load. But the bottom line is, if you remove any cushion from a load relative to how it was pressure tested, pressure will increase. And if you add cushion, relative to how the load was tested, pressure will decrease.
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Cushion under the wad drastically reduces PSI FWIW. I've played with this a good bit over the years. Just a slight bit less cushion can have a huge impact. I've even taken loads and compressed the cushion by various amounts and it had a huge impact with crimped harder IE compressed slightly more. That's one reason I like making loads that have a definite bottom out where more crimp pressure doesn't compress anything in the column.hoobilly wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 5:23 pmare you sure about that?
Others might correct me if my thinking is wrong, but the sole purpose for the 93 is to keep lil gun from leaking. The cushion is only a filler.
I would think that the pressures from a longer cushion would increase pressure while shorter will decrease it.Since the cushion compresses over a longer point of time before actually pushing the shot forward, which has more burnt powder happening than if the cushion was cut off and as the powder ignites it starts pushing the wad and shot instantly.
may be totally wrong on this way of thinking
Re: 90/93
Yes, far greater. Take them apart and load them exactly how Tommy instructs. 2.67" total length(Crimped) will run in Benellis.turkeyinstrut wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 9:00 pm I loaded up 10 of the 90/93's this spring to pattern but never got around to shooting them, I shoot a M2 and when I cut the cushion off the 93 wad I cut it right down flush with the top of the gas seal. My OAL ended up being 2.420 to 2.435 which should cycle fine in the Benelli, what I am wondering is by cutting all the cushion off is it going to jack the pressure beyond SAFE?
Re: 90/93
el diablo wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 9:40 pmI shot a 1 5/8oz 2.75” load that was vp90 over 27 grains of lil gun. Patterned great at over 1100fps out of 24” M2. Thought it was greatest load ever, had it tested and it came back around 15.5k psi. I never had any problems or pressure signs, but was waaaay over pressure. I would imagine the ones you loaded like that are over as well.turkeyinstrut wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 9:00 pm I loaded up 10 of the 90/93's this spring to pattern but never got around to shooting them, I shoot a M2 and when I cut the cushion off the 93 wad I cut it right down flush with the top of the gas seal. My OAL ended up being 2.420 to 2.435 which should cycle fine in the Benelli, what I am wondering is by cutting all the cushion off is it going to jack the pressure beyond SAFE?
I heard guys were shooting that load at 27.5 and warned it was way over. I sent it in at 27.5 and 26.0 and it came back 16.5kpsi and 15.5kpsi.
There are things you can change to make it work
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Re: 90/93
Thanks Reloader,Reloader wrote: ↑June 14th, 2018, 12:03 pmYes, far greater. Take them apart and load them exactly how Tommy instructs. 2.67" total length(Crimped) will run in Benellis.turkeyinstrut wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 9:00 pm I loaded up 10 of the 90/93's this spring to pattern but never got around to shooting them, I shoot a M2 and when I cut the cushion off the 93 wad I cut it right down flush with the top of the gas seal. My OAL ended up being 2.420 to 2.435 which should cycle fine in the Benelli, what I am wondering is by cutting all the cushion off is it going to jack the pressure beyond SAFE?
I will tear them down and salvage the shot. I may try loading a few by cutting the wad where Tommy instructed to do so and see if I can get them short enough to cycle. I am currently shooting Hal's Lil Zip load and am very pleased with it, but would like to try the 90/93 as I have heard nothing but good things about it. This is a sickness and I not sure that I will ever find a load that is "good enough" but it sure is fun trying.
One more question for you Reloader, does adding cushion under the shot also reduce pressures.
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Re: 90/93
On a related note: with all the guys loading TSS and all the years we've been at it, I think we can declare it safe to do. Stay in guidelines established and you have nothing to worry about.. On any skeet field or sporting clays course you are liable to to see reloads that it only looks like luck is holding them together.
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Re: 90/93
Jbird22 wrote: ↑June 13th, 2018, 8:23 pm viewtopic.php?f=18&t=13762&p=149362&hilit=vp93#p149362
I cut mine with more cushion than shown in Shooter's pic in order to omit the 1/8" felt on top of the shot. It folds great and I just seal the crimp with clear fingernail polish. It ends up being the same OAL as 3" Fed HWT factory load. I shoot an 870 so no cycling issues for me.
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Re: 90/93
I have done both and personally prefer fold crimping. For me, it's just quicker and much easier since I only have a cordless drill (not a drill press) to roll crimp with. At the same time, my MEC 600 was given to me so I can't say I'd recommend purchasing one just for the sake of fold crimping TSS loads. The press itself won't aid in any other part of the loading process.
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