Hal’s 2 1/8oz 20ga load
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thats just showing off, extreme overkill, no doubt hal is a tss genious but why throw uneccesarry amounts of tss at or through a turkey, id rather see a 1 1/8 load of tss in a 410 shell myself, now that would be impressive
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Showing off? Everything about TSS is extreme overkill... I'll gladly pay the extra $1.50 per round to go from 1 5/8 oz to 2 1/8 oz of TSS. This MOA load could finally bridge the gap between too hot of a core and 50/50 pattern guys. you could literally get a 350/350 pattern with this load if you have the perfect combo. it makes it forgiving AND extremely hot core.makeumgobble wrote: ↑January 28th, 2018, 9:35 pm thats just showing off, extreme overkill, no doubt hal is a tss genious but why throw uneccesarry amounts of tss at or through a turkey, id rather see a 1 1/8 load of tss in a 410 shell myself, now that would be impressive
If you wanna whine about innovation in TSS, go back to lead loads. (I find it interesting you have 1 post and it just happened to be here)
BRAVO HAL!
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Wonder if it would eject/feed through an Affinity?
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Great pattern! Good job!
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They cycle fine in a Remington 870.
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They cycle fine in a Remington 870.
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What's the longest that will cycle for you? Now you have me worried about my Stoeger m3020 cycling these (will be loading some this week)turkeyinstrut wrote: ↑January 30th, 2018, 11:32 amI couldn't get them even close to being short enough to cycle in my M2, I also think the recoil would be brutal on a auto. I think I will just stick with 1 5/8 loads.
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The shells that I have loaded up now are 2.570 and anything over 2.600 won't cycle in my M2, if I were you I would just load up 1 or 2 and make sure they cycle before you load a bunch of them.bowhunter2k9 wrote: ↑January 31st, 2018, 9:08 amWhat's the longest that will cycle for you? Now you have me worried about my Stoeger m3020 cycling these (will be loading some this week)turkeyinstrut wrote: ↑January 30th, 2018, 11:32 amI couldn't get them even close to being short enough to cycle in my M2, I also think the recoil would be brutal on a auto. I think I will just stick with 1 5/8 loads.
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I have found 2.65 to cycle in everything I've tried, I was convinced it was the magic number. Have not tried the m2 or 3020 though. It will definitely work in the chamber though with 1 5/8 back ups.
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Wonder what could be loaded in 3.5 12 out of Remington
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Simple solution. Load one of the 2 1/8 oz in the barrel and fill the magazine with 2 3/4 shells. 99% of all the turkeys killed are on first shot. Didn't yall know that?
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It's going to be very interesting to see how long the lugs hold up in the autos mentioned.
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There's a lot of unused space in a 3" brass shell. Pressure shouldn't be an issue with the overbuilt steel frame single shot .410s, at least not over the short term. Which is to say I don't think anyone would blow themselves up before they noticed the action getting loose. The hulls have a crazy thick base, and the .410s we're talking about have at least a half inch of steel around the chamber. You'll have to work around the lack of a wad to hold enough shot.makeumgobble wrote: ↑January 28th, 2018, 9:35 pm thats just showing off, extreme overkill, no doubt hal is a tss genious but why throw uneccesarry amounts of tss at or through a turkey, id rather see a 1 1/8 load of tss in a 410 shell myself, now that would be impressive
I can't say I'm interested in that part of the hobby, though. The attraction to TSS handloads for me is being able to shoot lighter loads in lighter guns. If I wanted to carry a heavy cannon, I'd've stuck with lead.
But ,yeah, 2.125 is beyond imagination.
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Weather permitting, I'm gonna give the MOA a go Sunday with a couple pumps. I'm not expecting horrible recoil, but I'll let y'all know.
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This load will have 84 ftlbs of recoilturkeyinstrut wrote: ↑February 1st, 2018, 10:46 amWhat do you think the recoil could be compared to?
For comparison a 12ga 3.5 with 2oz load at 1300 only has 75ftlbs. 84 is one heck of a recoil IMO. It’s going to kick noticeably harder than say a 3.5” Longbeard. Just food for thought. Keep in mind 20ga autos were not designed for that kind of abuse.
I’m not putting down the load at all guys, Hal does great work. Just something to keep in mind for valuable equipment.
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Just a hunch, but I’d say a “haymaker” from Iron Mike Tyson in his heyday...turkeyinstrut wrote: ↑February 1st, 2018, 10:46 amWhat do you think the recoil could be compared to?
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IRON MIKE TYSON?????........You don't suppose it would tear my ear off do ya?BumbleFoot wrote: ↑February 1st, 2018, 9:43 pmJust a hunch, but I’d say a “haymaker” from Iron Mike Tyson in his heyday...turkeyinstrut wrote: ↑February 1st, 2018, 10:46 amWhat do you think the recoil could be compared to?
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I have always wondered how much wear and tear loads like these(heavy payloads in all gauges) do to auto's that were not designed for such punishment.Reloader wrote: ↑February 1st, 2018, 9:10 pmThis load will have 84 ftlbs of recoilturkeyinstrut wrote: ↑February 1st, 2018, 10:46 amWhat do you think the recoil could be compared to?
For comparison a 12ga 3.5 with 2oz load at 1300 only has 75ftlbs. 84 is one heck of a recoil IMO. It’s going to kick noticeably harder than say a 3.5” Longbeard. Just food for thought. Keep in mind 20ga autos were not designed for that kind of abuse.
I’m not putting down the load at all guys, Hal does great work. Just something to keep in mind for valuable equipment.
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I can't wait to have a real life trial. OP said not as bad as a longbeard and I hardly even know the 1 5/8 shot save the bang. I'll take his word for now, gonna let the super Bantam take it first.
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slomo at the end https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1KGzXaanEI
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I have shot Barry's 3 oz load, Tommy's fast 2.5oz load, Hal's 1 7/8oz 20 gauge, Hal's 1 5/8oz lil zip, Hal's MOA, Hal's quick 2.25oz load, and Barry's 2.25oz load. Performance is awesome on all of these. They all dislike my shoulder, but I don't think they would bother anyone while shooting a turkey. I don't think you are helping any gun parts shooting any of these in an auto, but don't think just shooting turkeys alone would be enough repetition to damage the gun's parts.
That said I have settled on a nice comfy 1175 fps 1 7/16oz load to hunt with.
That said I have settled on a nice comfy 1175 fps 1 7/16oz load to hunt with.
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his 1 7/16 load has been my favorite for the last 8-9 years, if someone could ever get a .410 1 1/8 load though that might changeel diablo wrote: ↑February 2nd, 2018, 9:33 am I have shot Barry's 3 oz load, Tommy's fast 2.5oz load, Hal's 1 7/8oz 20 gauge, Hal's 1 5/8oz lil zip, Hal's MOA, Hal's quick 2.25oz load, and Barry's 2.25oz load. Performance is awesome on all of these. They all dislike my shoulder, but I don't think they would bother anyone while shooting a turkey. I don't think you are helping any gun parts shooting any of these in an auto, but don't think just shooting turkeys alone would be enough repetition to damage the gun's parts.
That said I have settled on a nice comfy 1175 fps 1 7/16oz load to hunt with.