Pattern/barrel problem

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Pattern/barrel problem

Post by Timmypo1 » May 24th, 2014, 1:55 pm

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I'm still trying to decide whether or not to send my barrel back to Remington for the choke being bored off center. This is around 25 yards. I'd assuming all the high left misses aren't even on my paper when I pattern at 40 yards. At 40 my pattern is fairly even, I couldn't see any of this, although I knew I was missing some pellets on my 36" sheet of paper. Is this kind of stuff within the realm of normal for a close pattern, or is it most likely a sign of something wrong? Anyone else seeing anything like this in their short range patterns? Remington 870, 3" 2oz TSS, 8.5's.


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Re: Pattern/barrel problem

Post by Johndoe » May 24th, 2014, 3:04 pm

I have never seen anything like that. I would send it back.
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There are no numbers on any of my clocks below 8. Then all of a sudden, 2 days before turkey season they appear. Then right after the season they disappear.
What's up with that

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Re: Pattern/barrel problem

Post by Grumpy » May 24th, 2014, 3:39 pm

Should work fine for flock shooting hummingbirds.
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Re: Pattern/barrel problem

Post by Spurcollecta » May 24th, 2014, 5:26 pm

Maybe try some turkey loads other than TSS and see how they do at that range

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Re: Pattern/barrel problem

Post by Stinky J Picklestein » May 24th, 2014, 11:19 pm

I've had flyers before, but that's just crazy.

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Re: Pattern/barrel problem

Post by Spuriosity » May 25th, 2014, 7:51 am

Definitely have never seen anything like that before.

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Re: Pattern/barrel problem

Post by Waddle Whacker » May 25th, 2014, 8:18 am

That's odd.
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Re: Pattern/barrel problem

Post by CamoMan4025 » May 25th, 2014, 9:19 am

Now is the time to send it back and get it fixed.
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Re: Pattern/barrel problem

Post by d.winsor » May 25th, 2014, 9:28 pm

It might just be me, but as tight as that pattern is I would put a fastfire 3 on the gun pattern it for 40 yards and hunt the setup. As tight as I see it you will need at least a red dot for close in work anyway. I'd like to see a pattern at 40 yards. As far as you feeling you are loosing a few shot out of your pattern, you have more than enough left to do the job. Go hunting and have fun.

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Pattern/barrel problem

Post by Timmypo1 » May 25th, 2014, 10:24 pm

d.winsor wrote:It might just be me, but as tight as that pattern is I would put a fastfire 3 on the gun pattern it for 40 yards and hunt the setup. As tight as I see it you will need at least a red dot for close in work anyway. I'd like to see a pattern at 40 yards. As far as you feeling you are loosing a few shot out of your pattern, you have more than enough left to do the job. Go hunting and have fun.
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Re: Pattern/barrel problem

Post by Johndoe » May 25th, 2014, 10:34 pm

Here is the real deal. You have 10 months to send it back and get a new one dialed in. If they don't send you a new one you are out $10 for shipping.
If you don't the 1st bird you miss you will wonder. Get it over with. It's clear you worry about it.
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There are no numbers on any of my clocks below 8. Then all of a sudden, 2 days before turkey season they appear. Then right after the season they disappear.
What's up with that

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Re: Pattern/barrel problem

Post by Waddle Whacker » May 26th, 2014, 7:08 am

Johndoe wrote:Here is the real deal. You have 10 months to send it back and get a new one dialed in. If they don't send you a new one you are out $10 for shipping.
If you don't the 1st bird you miss you will wonder. Get it over with. It's clear you worry about it.
Agreed. That is a good looking 40 yard pattern though.
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Pattern/barrel problem

Post by Reloader » May 26th, 2014, 3:17 pm

I think that's more of a load issue than bbl issue. Have you shot a lead turkey load up close to check?

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Re: Pattern/barrel problem

Post by Spurcollecta » May 26th, 2014, 4:18 pm

Reloader wrote:I think that's more of a load issue than bbl issue. Have you shot a lead turkey load up close to check?
Those are my thoughts as well and I suggested he try some other turkey loads at that range.

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Re: Pattern/barrel problem

Post by DC1. » May 26th, 2014, 5:29 pm

A friend had a 1187 with same problem. He called them, told them the problem and the guy looked it up on the computer and said you still live at this address and they sent him a new barrel in about five days.

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Pattern/barrel problem

Post by Timmypo1 » May 26th, 2014, 7:21 pm

I'm going to send it back in a week or so. I still have a week of the season left in PA. I might take a new hunter out and let him use it. I shot a few other loads out of it that do similar things. All show high left flyers. I shot it today with the same load at 15 yards and have a group of about 50 that are high left. I'm thinking that there are about 25 shot that aren't even on the paper in the original pic.

I'm not the original owner, so they won't just send me the barrel. They want me to send it in so they can see that it is indeed a factory defect. My concern is that they don't currently make a 3" rifle sighted camo smooth bore. Curious to see how they resolve it...


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Re: Pattern/barrel problem

Post by Spurcollecta » May 26th, 2014, 7:30 pm

Did you try a different choke?

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Re: Pattern/barrel problem

Post by paboxcall » May 26th, 2014, 7:52 pm

Spurcollecta wrote:Did you try a different choke?
That would be my suggestion as well, manufacturer probably going to ask same thing - factory choke or aftermarket choke. If you get those flyers with a different choke, then contact them.
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Pattern/barrel problem

Post by Timmypo1 » May 26th, 2014, 7:56 pm

Spurcollecta wrote:Did you try a different choke?
I tried 6 different chokes at 40 yards. This is the one that did the best, so it's the one I'll hunt with. My opinion is that if the one that patterns best has 50 pellet's high left of a 36" sheet of paper, I can do better. Like johndoe said, obviously it's bothering me.


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Re: Pattern/barrel problem

Post by Johndoe » May 26th, 2014, 7:57 pm

Don't tell them you are not original owner. Just call them and send it back. When they see it they will make it right
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There are no numbers on any of my clocks below 8. Then all of a sudden, 2 days before turkey season they appear. Then right after the season they disappear.
What's up with that

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Re: Pattern/barrel problem

Post by Spurcollecta » May 26th, 2014, 9:19 pm

Timmypo1 wrote:
Spurcollecta wrote:Did you try a different choke?
I tried 6 different chokes at 40 yards. This is the one that did the best, so it's the one I'll hunt with. My opinion is that if the one that patterns best has 50 pellet's high left of a 36" sheet of paper, I can do better. Like johndoe said, obviously it's bothering me.


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So you tried all 6 at close range and they all had the flyers in the same area as the choke that shot the best 40yd pattern? Dang..

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Re: Pattern/barrel problem

Post by Jamey » May 27th, 2014, 4:16 am

Timmypo1 wrote:
Spurcollecta wrote:Did you try a different choke?
I tried 6 different chokes at 40 yards. This is the one that did the best, so it's the one I'll hunt with.
All chokes had the same flyers, same high left? Or did the one with the best 40 yd pattern have the flyers?
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Re: Pattern/barrel problem

Post by watchemflop » May 27th, 2014, 1:45 pm

Shoot buddy I think you're splitting hairs. I wouldn't hesitate in hunting with that gun/pattern.

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Re: Pattern/barrel problem

Post by Jamey » May 27th, 2014, 5:01 pm

watchemflop wrote:Shoot buddy I think you're splitting hairs. I wouldn't hesitate in hunting with that gun/pattern.

Might be splitting hairs on a killing pattern BUT those flyers could easily take out a not-target bird and I don't want that to happen if I can help it. Not acceptable IMO.
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Pattern/barrel problem

Post by Timmypo1 » May 27th, 2014, 7:17 pm

I absolutely agree that it's fine pattern for hunting out past 60 yards. I just don't like the idea that almost 10% of my pellets are in a completely separate group, 3 feet away from my other group at 40 yards. Probably just being anal/picky, but that's kind of why I'm loading TSS in the first place. I'm also a little nervous that the barrel defect might be a safety issue too. I'll let Remington decide.


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