Re: TURKEY AMMO GOING UP $$$
Posted: August 12th, 2013, 10:41 pm
.......and what did he say !!!
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LOL! TSS will blast through the first bird and kill a few others behind it.guesswho wrote:Oh yeah, that cleared it right up. Let me ponder on this. One number and three numbers and three numbers is seven numbers. So if I shoot lead 6's and kill say 15 turkeys, then I can shoot TSS 13's and kill 22 turkeys. Heck yeah, sign me up.
And, correct me if I am wrong, but the weight is also why TSS holds tighter patterns. Think of it like throwing a baseball and a wiffle ball. The heavier one is going to fly straighter and hit harder than the other one.Shooter wrote:DAM,... I missed again, didn't I,...lol.guesswho wrote:Oh yeah, that cleared it right up. Let me ponder on this. One number and three numbers and three numbers is seven numbers. So if I shoot lead 6's and kill say 15 turkeys, then I can shoot TSS 13's and kill 22 turkeys. Heck yeah, sign me up.
Weight density in lead is .11
In Hevi is .12
In HW is .15
And in TSS, it is .18 per cubic centimeter.
It's the weight of the pellets, not the shot sizes,... sorry.
Don't laugh Stinky,.... You have no idea, how true that statement actually is!!Stinky J Picklestein wrote:LOL! TSS will blast through the first bird and kill a few others behind it.guesswho wrote:Oh yeah, that cleared it right up. Let me ponder on this. One number and three numbers and three numbers is seven numbers. So if I shoot lead 6's and kill say 15 turkeys, then I can shoot TSS 13's and kill 22 turkeys. Heck yeah, sign me up.
I've been real tempted to take a .410 loaded with TSS dove hunting this year, but I sure as heck wouldn't want those small #9s to pepper anyone 200 yds away.... so I ain't gonna do it.Shooter wrote:
Don't laugh Stinky,.... You have no idea, how true that statement actually is!!
I've seen it!
Actually, it is the hardness of TSS that contributes to the tighter patterns.3toe wrote:And, correct me if I am wrong, but the weight is also why TSS holds tighter patterns. Think of it like throwing a baseball and a wiffle ball. The heavier one is going to fly straighter and hit harder than the other one.Shooter wrote:DAM,... I missed again, didn't I,...lol.guesswho wrote:Oh yeah, that cleared it right up. Let me ponder on this. One number and three numbers and three numbers is seven numbers. So if I shoot lead 6's and kill say 15 turkeys, then I can shoot TSS 13's and kill 22 turkeys. Heck yeah, sign me up.
Weight density in lead is .11
In Hevi is .12
In HW is .15
And in TSS, it is .18 per cubic centimeter.
It's the weight of the pellets, not the shot sizes,... sorry.
ME2,that is why I bought 20 boxes of the 20's and a case of the 12 3 1/2 inch 7's,plus I had 6 boxes of 10 gauge and am looking for more.Never have to reload I guess but I want too.Probably never will!MKW wrote:Shooter wrote: Fed HWs are awesome shells, and the closest thing to TSS you can get.
They are pretty pricey too though.
They are the best that I can buy commercially...that's why I shoot them. If TSS loaded shells were available for purchase, I'd likely shoot them. The 20ga Feds are expensive and sometimes hard to find, that's why I bought 28 boxes of them. I won't be buying ANY turkey loads for a little while.
Mike
It is a big factor with lead. Spherical is better ballistically, so any pellet that gets flattened during setback is not going to fly as true as a spherical one. Since no deformation of pellets takes place during setback with TSS, you don't get fliers associated with deformation. But I believe density is a big factor also. Air resistance effects ballistics, and the greater mass per surface area a pellet has, the less the air can effect it.drenalinld wrote:The only pattern advantage I can think of from being harder is less deformation through a choke. Hevi is not uniform anyway, so I wonder if hardness is much of a factor in better patterns?
Man! If all you pay is $7 per animal harvested, that's dang cheap!hawglips wrote:Frankinthelaurels wrote:I'll never pay $35 dollars for 5 shells to harvest any animal...$7.00 a shot to kill a turkey!!!! I'll just be a little patient and wait til he crosses the 40 yard line and kill with the cheapest lead shell I can buy....ridiculous !!
This. Deformed lead pellets do not pattern well. That's why mag grade (high antimony, e.g. high quality target loads) and copper and nickel plated shot patterns better than no antimony (pure lead) or low antimony (chilled) lead shot. The harder shot deforms less and patterns better. Steel shot patterns tighter than lead shot even though it is much less dense, because it is hard. There is no deformation with steel, HS, HW, or TSS. So once you reach a level of hardness that does not deform on setback or during bore travel, the determining factor on pattern density then becomes pellet density. TSS comes out on top due to its density vs HW, HS, or steel.hawglips wrote:It is a big factor with lead. Spherical is better ballistically, so any pellet that gets flattened during setback is not going to fly as true as a spherical one. Since no deformation of pellets takes place during setback with TSS, you don't get fliers associated with deformation. But I believe density is a big factor also. Air resistance effects ballistics, and the greater mass per surface area a pellet has, the less the air can effect it.drenalinld wrote:The only pattern advantage I can think of from being harder is less deformation through a choke. Hevi is not uniform anyway, so I wonder if hardness is much of a factor in better patterns?
All that JibberJabber when this is all we needed.Spuriosity wrote:This. Deformed lead pellets do not pattern well. That's why mag grade (high antimony, e.g. high quality target loads) and copper and nickel plated shot patterns better than no antimony (pure lead) or low antimony (chilled) lead shot. The harder shot deforms less and patterns better. Steel shot patterns tighter than lead shot even though it is much less dense, because it is hard. There is no deformation with steel, HS, HW, or TSS. So once you reach a level of hardness that does not deform on setback or during bore travel, the determining factor on pattern density then becomes pellet density. TSS comes out on top due to its density vs HW, HS, or steel.hawglips wrote:It is a big factor with lead. Spherical is better ballistically, so any pellet that gets flattened during setback is not going to fly as true as a spherical one. Since no deformation of pellets takes place during setback with TSS, you don't get fliers associated with deformation. But I believe density is a big factor also. Air resistance effects ballistics, and the greater mass per surface area a pellet has, the less the air can effect it.drenalinld wrote:The only pattern advantage I can think of from being harder is less deformation through a choke. Hevi is not uniform anyway, so I wonder if hardness is much of a factor in better patterns?