Keeping up with COVID

[Hoobilly]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... in-us.html



I have been checking the statistics about everyday and see what the % death rate is.

Even though the so called positive cases have dramatically increased the actual death rate has dropped significantly over the last several months. It would be even less if our politicians and liberal governors would not have outlawed hydroxichloroquine which is proven to be beneficial in early stages on positive cases

Right now the average death rate is 3.46%

[Turkinator]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... in-us.html



I have been checking the statistics about everyday and see what the % death rate is.

Even though the so called positive cases have dramatically increased the actual death rate has dropped significantly over the last several months. It would be even less if our politicians and liberal governors would not have outlawed hydroxichloroquine which is proven to be beneficial in early stages on positive cases

Right now the average death rate is 3.46%

Anyone but a liberal or a moron can see this is going to be drug out till the election. It’s all that the democrat socialists have to run on. Their dementia addled candidate can’t remember what state he’s in, so they must covid19 any debates. The democrats desperately need fraudulent mail in voting to cheat their derelict candidate into office. Mask free since March!!! Alive and kicking!!! MAGA 2020

[GLS]

No governor or politician has "outlawed" HCQ's use. From the FDA's official press release of June 15:

"Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) revoked the emergency use authorization (EUA) that allowed for chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate donated to the Strategic National Stockpile to be used to treat certain hospitalized patients with COVID-19 when a clinical trial was unavailable, or participation in a clinical trial was not feasible. The agency determined that the legal criteria for issuing an EUA are no longer met. Based on its ongoing analysis of the EUA and emerging scientific data, the FDA determined that chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are unlikely to be effective in treating COVID-19 for the authorized uses in the EUA. Additionally, in light of ongoing serious cardiac adverse events and other potential serious side effects, the known and potential benefits of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine no longer outweigh the known and potential risks for the authorized use. This is the statutory standard for issuance of an EUA. The Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services originally requested the EUA covering chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, and the FDA granted the EUA on March 28, 2020 based on the science and data available at the time. Today, in consultation with the FDA, BARDA sent a letter to the FDA requesting revocation of the EUA based on up to date science and data.

“We’ve made clear throughout the public health emergency that our actions will be guided by science and that our decisions may evolve as we learn more about the SARS-CoV-2 virus, review the latest data, and consider the balance of risks versus benefits of treatments for COVID-19,” said FDA Deputy Commissioner for Medical and Scientific Affairs Anand Shah, M.D. “The FDA always underpins its decision-making with the most trustworthy, high-quality, up-to-date evidence available. We will continue to examine all of the emergency use authorizations the FDA has issued and make changes, as appropriate, based on emerging evidence.” "

[WAGinVA]

Gil, don't you know better than to try to bring logic into an emotional argument? (I am on your side.)

[coconut]

What death rate would be acceptable?

[Hoobilly]

No governor or politician has "outlawed" HCQ's use. From the FDA's official press release of June 15:

Ok so I used the term banned rather loosely.

However governors of some states set edicts down that drs and physicians could not use it

[Hoobilly]

What death rate would be acceptable?

Honestly no death rate

But should we as a country shut down and just lay there and take this baloney???

[Hoobilly]

[OLE RASPY]

Keep drinking the koolaid. What color is it now?

[GLS]

No governor or politician has "outlawed" HCQ's use. From the FDA's official press release of June 15:

Ok so I used the term banned rather loosely.

However governors of some states set edicts down that drs and physicians could not use it

How about a name, a state, and a press release where a governor said that drs. and physicians couldn't use it. That shouldn't be too hard to find.

[SwampDrummin]

What death rate would be acceptable?

Honestly no death rate

But should we as a country shut down and just lay there and take this baloney???

Enough devil's advocate, at what death rate would it be appropriate to you for the government to exercise its responsibility to protect its citizens? Because like it or not that's a function of government. Right now they're asking you to wear masks & restrict your activities because it kills 3.46% of known cases. Ok, that's too much of an encroachment of your freedom. Does it ever become acceptable or are you just running through talking points? 40% death rate? 60%?

A 9-year-old girl, an 11-year-old boy, an 11-year-old girl, a 16-year-old girl,17-year-old boy, and two others between 14-17 have died in Florida. Somewhere along that transmission line, if somebody would have worn a mask, maybe not gone to a bar, then all of those lives could have been saved.

I'm all about personal freedoms man, I just yelled at the HOA president when he tried to bully me without any right into cutting my wildflowers down. That's freedom man. Being asked to wear a mask and not go to bars or stay home if I'm sick in order to save the lives of grandma, or a 9 year old girl is freedom too. You need to think about that.

[Tail Feathers]

Several states have stopped allowing the use of it for Covid treatment, including Ohio whose Board of Pharmacy issued the order.

Sorry I can't link it, my Chromebook is acting weird on me. But I found a Newsweek article on it. I didn't see where any governor actually signed the order.

[jsh909]

Do you truly believe that wearing a mask, staying out of bars, or staying locked up in your house could have saved any of those lives? Not playing devil's advocate or trying to start anything just asking. I understand that everyone has an opinion and is totally entitled to it and my opinion is that a sickness with A 3.46% death rate or a 96.54% survival rate, depending on how you want to spin those numbers, is hardly a pandemic and certainly not a cause for a shutdown of the nation and the economy. Again I realize your opinion may vary, I was just curious.

[GLS]

Do you truly believe that wearing a mask, staying out of bars, or staying locked up in your house could have saved any of those lives? Not playing devil's advocate or trying to start anything just asking. I understand that everyone has an opinion and is totally entitled to it and my opinion is that a sickness with A 3.46% death rate or a 96.54% survival rate, depending on how you want to spin those numbers, is hardly a pandemic and certainly not a cause for a shutdown of the nation and the economy. Again I realize your opinion may vary, I was just curious.

The death rate is only one part of the picture. It doesn't have to kill to have serious consequences. Survivors of the disease may have permanent injuries to their lungs with reduced capacity. A sick, incapacitated work force can have vast economic effects. Buddy's nephew is 30 years old and was flat on his back at home for 7 weeks. I am aware of one woman in a nearby county that will be on oxygen for the rest of her life as a result of the virus. The South Koreans detected their first case of Covid 19 on Jan. 20th as did the US. Rather than treat it as a "hoax" they isolated the first case, contact traced, quarantined, isolated, and tested with results in minutes, not days, in a national containment effort all in accord with an epidemic blueprint prepared well in advance. There was no hesitation in their fight against the virus. Museums and public gathering spots were closed, but there was no nationwide lockdown. Businesses operated unimpeded and specific businesses were only temporarily shut down if cases developed. 95% of the population wore masks as they do during flu season voluntarily. It is cultural, out of mutual respect for one another, not “political” to wear masks during epidemics in parts of Asia. With a citizenry of 50,000,000 densely populated in an area the size of Indiana, the nation has had 289 deaths in the last 6 months related to Covid through July. Compare that with our national cluster #$% of a response. How in the hell did we put someone on the moon? South Korea’s economy has been impacted but not as bad as ours; global market demands shutting down affected their supply side economy. As for any top down approach in the US, I’ve seen better organized rock fights in school yards. The last time the US acted as a unified nation was 911; the time before 911, WWII. We now pay the price for the vocal and widespread attitude of "no one can tell me what to do or wear or go" with no national blueprint for containment. Those that fear an infringement for their liberty by being required to wear masks probably feel the same about their freedom of expression being infringed by the outlawing of texting while driving. It should be U.S. vs. Covid 19, not Patrick Henry wannabees vs. Karen or vice versa. As Pogo said: “we have met the enemy and he is us.” Gil

[jsh909]

Fair enough GLS, you make some very valid points in there. Thank you for sharing in a civil and informative manner. I appreciate your response, very bipartisan and we'll worded

[GLS]

Thank you.

Déjà vu all over again:
Headlines in Chicago 1919 and advertisement in San Francisco Chronicle March, 1919.

[sportrep]

Gil,
I do not disagree with the direction of your post at all. One point I would make is - if our government, as an institution, had a better recent history of competence and integrity the populace might have more trust toward their directives. I won’t bore anyone with examples. They are too many to point out. The bottom line is.....most average Joes do not trust government. It will be interesting to see how this all washes out, but until the double standards are addressed in our justice system, politicized media influence, and out of control Washington lobbyists are reigned in the trust in anything government will continue to suffer.

[Hoobilly]

With a citizenry of 50,000,000 densely populated in an area the size of Indiana, the nation has had 289 deaths in the last 6 months related to Covid through July. Compare that with our national cluster #$% of a response.

Other countries use hydroxichloroquine by the buckets

[Limb Hanger]

Some death rate has to be acceptable. Otherwise we wouldn't allow vehicles, alcohol or any number of things that make modern life what it is. Shooting guns would be way too dangerous and even something as simple as swimming would need to be outlawed as people have been know to drown doing that.
While a 0% death rate is ridiculously unrealistic I do believe we should take precautions. I don't mind wearing a mask where they are required, I certainly don't wear one all the time but when I'm around big groups of people im starting to wear one.

[howl]

I don't have a tv. I just look up data and review it. When I go out in public and see and hear all the fear mongering propaganda most people are exposed to 24/7 it is easier to understand why you're all scared to death. If you're a regular consumer of msm you probably don't notice. Shoot, I sat in a hair cuttery the other day listening to a full on PR campaign for damage control on big Hollywood stars. You'd only realize those talking heads were going on and on about the virtues of those specific and usually unrelated people if you were also aware they're all tied up in the Epstein scandal. A talking head isn't going on about kindness and good personal judgement of a Tom Hanks unless Tom Hanks is under scrutiny for being a pedophile; which he is.

You have to look at the data and consider the sources. Kung flu isn't a thing. Repercussions from being subjugated by fear will be. If they can post-pone presidential elections we either see catastrophic civil unrest or become subjects rather than citizens. I suspect a people so cowed by fear of a barely significant virus will give up everything. The whole thing, from every source whether claiming "science" or not, is political. Listen to unskewed numbers, not media and bureaucrats with agendas.

Thanks for letting me get that off my chest. The wife, who is a pediatric nurse and has always used masks when appropriate, keeps going on and on about how stupid people are to wear masks. For months now...wearing me out!

[Hoobilly]

I don't have a tv. I just look up data and review it. When I go out in public and see and hear all the fear mongering propaganda most people are exposed to 24/7 it is easier to understand why you're all scared to death. If you're a regular consumer of msm you probably don't notice. Shoot, I sat in a hair cuttery the other day listening to a full on PR campaign for damage control on big Hollywood stars. You'd only realize those talking heads were going on and on about the virtues of those specific and usually unrelated people if you were also aware they're all tied up in the Epstein scandal. A talking head isn't going on about kindness and good personal judgement of a Tom Hanks unless Tom Hanks is under scrutiny for being a pedophile; which he is.

You have to look at the data and consider the sources. Kung flu isn't a thing. Repercussions from being subjugated by fear will be. If they can post-pone presidential elections we either see catastrophic civil unrest or become subjects rather than citizens. I suspect a people so cowed by fear of a barely significant virus will give up everything. The whole thing, from every source whether claiming "science" or not, is political. Listen to unskewed numbers, not media and bureaucrats with agendas.

Thanks for letting me get that off my chest. The wife, who is a pediatric nurse and has always used masks when appropriate, keeps going on and on about how stupid people are to wear masks. For months now...wearing me out!

My sister and her daughters (nieces) are RN’s

They will tell you that America is getting screwed over. Drs everywhere will tell you the same thing

[turkyjoe]

Here's something to think about mail in ballot

[Hoobilly]

Here's something to think about mail in ballot

[Hoobilly]

62% of Covid deaths are reported to be from 6 states

That is staggering

[guesswho]

My Wife takes Plaquenil (Hydroxichloroquine) for Rheumatoid Arthritis along with injections and infusions. She is very sensitive to almost any form of medication. If there is a side effect she usually experiences it, and adds a few more to the list. Plaquenil is one of the few meds she’s never had an issue with. I’m no Doctor so take my opinion for what it’s worth. The problem with Hydroxichloroquine is it has been in use for over 60 years and is now relatively cheap and considered very safe, up until now. I think my Wife’s prescription runs 15 to $20 for a 90 day supply. My personal opinion for the negative feedback on Hydroxichloroquine now is because it’s to cheap. To much money to be made by the pharmaceutical companies with a new super drug to help fight covid19. Or to much money to lose by using a $20 treatment, depending on how you look at it. Again, just my simple minded opinion.