Gobbler or Jake?

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Gobbler or Jake?

Post by Southern Sportsman » March 27th, 2017, 6:55 pm

My buddy sent me these pictures, and I suggested he ground check him, but what do yall think? I've killed a couple with "beard rot" and I've killed a couple "super jakes," but I cant decide what to make of this one. No pictures of his spurs.

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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by Jamey » March 27th, 2017, 6:58 pm

Gobbler. Kill him.
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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by guesswho » March 27th, 2017, 7:02 pm

Last picture says mature. Shoot'em!
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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by Gobbler » March 27th, 2017, 7:07 pm

guesswho wrote:Last picture says mature. Shoot'em!
You Jake killer! :mrgreen:

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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by guesswho » March 27th, 2017, 7:12 pm

I've got a beard from last year, so problem solved!
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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by HunterGKS » March 27th, 2017, 7:14 pm

Tail says BOOM!!!!
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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by crenshawco » March 27th, 2017, 7:34 pm

Full fan = dead bird. You can also tell by the upper covert feathers on his wing.

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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by turkey_slayer » March 27th, 2017, 8:35 pm

Mature

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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by bullet355 » March 27th, 2017, 9:20 pm

I killed one like that several years ago.
He had 1 1/4" spurs.

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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by turkey_picker » March 27th, 2017, 9:44 pm

Shoot him! Gobbler with beard rot. ;)

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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by appalachianassassin » March 28th, 2017, 1:15 am

mature :thumbup:
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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by Frankinthelaurels » March 28th, 2017, 3:12 am

A "tweener"..... Renester or late hatch from two years ago, born in August instead of late May or earlyJune... He's just 4 months younger than the normal two year old, that's why his outside tail feathers and not the middle are still fledging ...also his beard is a tweener, not the usual Jake nor a longy either...killed lots of " tweeners" over the last 50 years..

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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by decoykrvr » March 28th, 2017, 9:38 am

Looks like a mature bird to me. Over the years I've killed mature gobblers w/ no beard (one didn't even have a beard patch or scrub), a gobbler w/ no spurs ( did not have differentiated leg scales where the spurs form) and mature gobblers w/ fans where the tail feathers had been lost and were regrowing in. I look at the fan, then the beard, and on a few occasions, the spurs before shooting. I was scouting yesterday, and was able to see the spurs on a 3-4 year old gobbler at @ 40 yards. I was carrying a varmint rifle w/ a 6-24 power variable scope and eye-balled his spurs at 24 power.

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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by taylorjones20 » March 28th, 2017, 9:50 am

I see a good spur in the second pic

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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by Gobbler » March 28th, 2017, 9:52 am

Thats full fan Jake. Beard rot has rust color at end.

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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by howl » March 28th, 2017, 10:29 am

I thought the rust stuff at the end was because of how it grew, but the beard had not got long enough to wear off. I killed a kinda light bird that had a beard maybe 8" once. It had that rusty tip, acted 2 y.o. and had regular spurs. I killed a runty mossyhead yesterday that had that and about 6" of beard. Acted 2 y.o. had short, sharp spurs and a full fan and gobble. His partner was toting a rope. Never had shot a jake, or even been around but a few dead ones, but I seem to recall seeing them with the rusty tip.

Anyhow, that's about all I remember on that. Be glad to learn more.

And I don't look at beards or spurs before I shoot. If it acts like a gobbler, looks like a gobbler and gets me worked up like a gobbler, then I shoot it likes its a gobbler. I ain't got a measuring stick that can account for the awesomeness of the wild turkey gobbler, so I ain't measuring a thing!

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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by tubecaller10 » March 28th, 2017, 10:30 am

guesswho wrote:Last picture says mature. Shoot'em!
Yessir totally agree! last picture tells it all on what i call the "wing patch" football shaped feathers. Take a look at this picture from trail cam I pulled yesterday. The spur don't lie and neither does the wing patch.

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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by gut_pile » March 28th, 2017, 10:41 am

Shoot
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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by ccleroy » March 28th, 2017, 6:54 pm

I see a spur in the second pic, speculum says mature regardless.

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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by rhs341 » March 28th, 2017, 8:25 pm

Long spur, full tail fan...it's a mature bird!
If you don't want to kill him the only thing that will happen is his spurs will be bigger next year....end of the day it's a mature bird!!!!
Kill him if you like, he's not a jake....

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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by Southern Sportsman » March 28th, 2017, 8:41 pm

He's not mine to kill, but I've already told my buddy to shoot him on sight. I didnt see the spir in the second picture, but do now.
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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by Spurhunter » March 28th, 2017, 9:03 pm

Gobbler! KA BOOOM!
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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by Andy S. » March 28th, 2017, 9:55 pm

guesswho wrote:Last picture says mature. Shoot'em!
x2, wing patches never lie.
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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by Southern Sportsman » March 28th, 2017, 10:38 pm

Andy S. wrote:
guesswho wrote:Last picture says mature. Shoot'em!
x2, wing patches never lie.
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Thanks for posting these pictures. I have hunted turkeys since I was 14, read everything Tom Kelly wrote on the subject, Illumination in the Flatwoods, Archibald Rudgledge, and others, and somehow I never realized the difference in wing coverts from Jake to Gobbler.
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Re: Gobbler or Jake?

Post by HunterGKS » March 29th, 2017, 9:18 am

I copied the 2nd pic & blew up the legs. It looks like the spur on the right is starting to curve. I would guess that this bird is at least 3 years old.
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