Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

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Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by Fullfan » May 23rd, 2017, 8:34 pm

Just had to try bought some of the Apex loaded TSS 20 ga. Shot them against my hand load Lill hammer loads. Both shot at 40 yds through a SA 459 and Sum Toy Choke.

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Apex is on the left.
Here is the wad
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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by Fullfan » May 23rd, 2017, 8:37 pm

Apex
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My hand loads
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And FYI my gun would not cycle the second round into the chamber with the Apex ammo

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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by WV Ridge Reaper » May 23rd, 2017, 9:48 pm

Thanks for sharing what you did!! I'd much rather see a dot and a big piece of a paper to see the whole pattern.


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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by RemingtonRules » May 23rd, 2017, 10:19 pm

Both need to be trued up.

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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by OneShot » May 24th, 2017, 1:26 am

You need to adjust your sights or shoot a bigger piece of paper and find the center of your point of impact before you do a pattern comparison of two different loads. Look at the paper and see that the center of your pattern is nearly off the left side of the page on your apex load and high on your handload. The posting of these two targets w/ neither displaying the true potential of either load is irrelevant data for anyone to consider, even yourself, unless that piece of paper was posted to another larger piece where you can the get the whole picture and tell the whole story and also to find out where you need to aim to maximize the effectiveness and true potential of the either load

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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by trap4fur » May 24th, 2017, 3:55 am

They both look about the same if the poi was good all shooting high

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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by Fullfan » May 24th, 2017, 5:14 am

Hand load
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Apex
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Cardboard is 21x16. Both were shot at the center of the cardboard. Best I can do for now fellas.

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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by Fullfan » May 24th, 2017, 5:19 am

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POA was the center dots.

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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by el diablo » May 24th, 2017, 6:53 am

Looks like your handloads are more uniform?

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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by toasty » May 24th, 2017, 11:39 am

Apex ammo poi is left of aim, I have seen that on a handful of TSS loads. Some just pattern off center with certain powder, wad, shot combinations.

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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by gophert » May 24th, 2017, 12:39 pm

Thanks for sharing. I'd hunt with either. I think it's a good thing people have the option to go buy loaded TSS. Keeps everything legal!

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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by phutch30 » May 24th, 2017, 4:48 pm

Here ya go....I used a soda flat we had for size, circles could be off a little +/-

apex- circle maybe could move to left a bit
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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by Jamey » May 24th, 2017, 7:36 pm

Same box, same picture, different circles...
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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by Fullfan » May 24th, 2017, 7:44 pm

phutch30 wrote:Here ya go....I used a soda flat we had for size, circles could be off a little +/-

apex- circle maybe could move to left a bit
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handload

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Nice work, I shoot at a beer flats. The Apex did shoot to the left, I was just wanting to show others what the Apex shells would do. No doubt a great pattern, and option for the members that do not hand load.

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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by swampchicken » May 24th, 2017, 8:26 pm

Looks like same pattern of red and black circle

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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by 870 Shooter » May 24th, 2017, 9:09 pm

swampchicken wrote:Looks like same pattern of red and black circle
What he said...

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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by phutch30 » May 24th, 2017, 10:43 pm

oops! Sorry it was 2 apex heres the corrected hamdload

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Here ya go....I used a soda flat we had for size, circles could be off a little +/-

apex- circle maybe could move to left a bit
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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by Reloader » May 25th, 2017, 10:45 am

You really need to shoot a large sheet of paper with each for proper evaluation, draw the 10" and 20" after the shot around the most dense portion, then count(Use a sharpie as it shows up better in photos). Those patterns look blown to me, but it's really hard to tell. I'd try them both in a good .575 choke such as the Carlson's ext.

You can buy 35" wide 140' long rolls of contractor paper at Home Depot, Lowes, local lumber sheds, and a lot of hardware stores for around $12. It works great for patterning paper.

Wonder why Apex is loading so slow now? 1060 will do, but it's awful slow.

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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by slickyboyboo » May 25th, 2017, 11:01 am

Reloader wrote:You really need to shoot a large sheet of paper with each for proper evaluation, draw the 10" and 20" after the shot around the most dense portion, then count(Use a sharpie as it shows up better in photos). Those patterns look blown to me, but it's really hard to tell. I'd try them both in a good .575 choke such as the Carlson's ext.

You can buy 35" wide 140' long rolls of contractor paper at Home Depot, Lowes, local lumber sheds, and a lot of hardware stores for around $12. It works great for patterning paper.

Wonder why Apex is loading so slow now? 1060 will do, but it's awful slow.
Did they correct the velocity on the packaging, or did Fullfan do that?


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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by Johndoe » May 25th, 2017, 11:03 am

Most likely part of that we didn't steal any loads, we are not using somebody else's loads, we better put the right velocity on the box crap Ola
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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by Reloader » May 25th, 2017, 11:27 am

Johndoe wrote:Most likely part of that we didn't steal any loads, we are not using somebody else's loads, we better put the right velocity on the box crap Ola
Probably so John.

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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by Fullfan » May 25th, 2017, 11:43 am

The box came that way.

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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by Reloader » May 25th, 2017, 12:24 pm

Thanks FF.

Did ya'll shoot out of Roy's gun or yours?

If the Apex is not cycling, the Benelli guys may be in trouble as well. Hard to make a full length roll load work in those two guns especially if they are using GAEP bits, which give the longest crimps.

On long loads, I like the BPI bits as they give the shortest crimp. Apex is going to have to adjust that load to shorten it if they are going to run GAEP bits. In their line they need a one size fits all load for sure.

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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by Turkinator » May 25th, 2017, 12:49 pm

That's why I've went almost completely to fold crimps

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Re: Apex vs hand load 20 ga TSS #9

Post by slickyboyboo » May 25th, 2017, 12:50 pm

Reloader wrote:Apex is going to have to adjust that load to shorten it if they are going to run GAEP bits. In their line they need a one size fits all load for sure.
Or a jam up 2 3/4" load.


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