is a bonafide 50 yard .410 setup possible?

[hawglips]

These are Valongbeards's 40 yard patterns with 13/16 oz of T9s.
Remington 870 Express .410
25" fixed full choke (.392)

137 in 10"
138 in 10", 277 in 20"
155 in 10", 267 in 20"
145 in 10", 272 in 20"

[VALongbeard]

Thanks for posting these Hal! I am still astounded the gun done this well. I think this will be my primary turkey rig, taking over the 20 gauge spot. Light recoil, light weight,... Plenty of punch. This gun will kill 99% of the turkeys I will shoot at. I try to get them to 40 anyway, but if one hangs at 45, he's coming with me.

[pedro]

with those numbers, fifty is not out of line.

[bird]

What is the energy at 40 yards?

[pedro]

What is the energy at 40 yards?

i may be wrong but i think i remember the 9s having sufficient energy out to 62 yards. might need someone with ballistics program to chime in.

[redarrow]

Oh yeah ,its possible for sure.

[hawglips]

What is the energy at 40 yards?

Here's the energy of those particular pellets out of that shell at 40 yds, compared to Hevi-13 #7s:

hevi-13 7s
ballistics gel penetration at 40 yds: 1.36"
ft-lbs per sq. in. at 40 yds: 161.8
distance to achieve 1.25" penetration: 43.7 yds

VALongbeard's .410 T9s (425/oz)
ballistics gel penetration at 40 yds: 1.69"
ft-lbs per sq. in. at 40 yds: 196.1
distance to achieve 1.25" penetration: 56.6 yds

[hawglips]

What is the energy at 40 yards?

i may be wrong but i think i remember the 9s having sufficient energy out to 62 yards. might need someone with ballistics program to chime in.

The 392 count 9s give you 1.25" penetrationi at 62+ yds, at 1093 fps (20 ga 1-5/8 oz load speed)

[hawglips]

with those numbers, fifty is not out of line.

The rule of thumb with TSS is .7 times your previous 10" count each 10 yds farther you go. So, if you take his average 10" count at 40 yds, times .7, that gives you 100 in a 10" at 50 yds.

And since he's got more than enough penetration at 50 yds, I believe he has a bonafide 50 yd setup....

[VALongbeard]

Thanks for the pellet energy comparison Hal. I was actually wondering that myself with the speed of the 410. 50 yards is hard to believe out of the smallbore, where lead shells might get you to 20 yards in a 410. That shows Just how much TSS is the real deal!

[pedro]

VALongbeard's .410 T9s (425/oz)

That is bout 60 more 9 shot than what I have in my batch. The extra shot helps for sure!

[VALongbeard]

I agree. With the 410, payload is your enemy. With the 425/oz. Vs. The 390/oz. Or less, it Just tips the odds in your favor to get the acceptable killing patterns. And you don't loose enough penetration to hurt anything, the smaller 9s will Still kill further than the pattern will hold, like Hal explained. It's a win win for the smaller bores.

[FloppinTom]

.410 Gobbler gun outshooting 12 ga. loads I thought were the bomb from just a few years ago. Who woulda thunk it?
A fat guy like me can cover more ground with a light gun like the .410 leaves room for more energy bars. LOL
Nice load,
Walter

[bird]

Are those numbers based on .410 loads or 12ga loads?

[hawglips]

Are those numbers based on .410 loads or 12ga loads?

VALongbeard's .410 #9 load vs. Hevi-13 12 gauge #7 load.

[ICDEDTURKES]

I know this was fixed F.. I believe I seen Hal had one threaded???? But wouldn't threading and working with a choke tube mfg help to increase pattern density than just relying on whatever choke is in these guns?

It would be a win win for the choke tube makers, they could double as a cute lil keychain..

[hawglips]

I know this was fixed F.. I believe I seen Hal had one threaded???? But wouldn't threading and working with a choke tube mfg help to increase pattern density than just relying on whatever choke is in these guns?

It would be a win win for the choke tube makers, they could double as a cute lil keychain..

The thing about it so far seems to be that the best patterns are coming from guns with a fixed full choke barrel. I don't get near the patterns with my threaded Rem 1100 and extra full as most of the fixed FC guns are getting.

[Spuriosity]

Amazing.